tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post1258409605067395065..comments2023-11-03T06:24:22.342-07:00Comments on Cog: BYU, Honor Codes, and Police CopsScothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-18074068506217686622007-04-21T13:35:00.000-07:002007-04-21T13:35:00.000-07:00Brady: Several of us could even probably start a g...Brady:<BR/><I> Several of us could even probably start a gay student's union or something of that nature. Imagine that! </I><BR/><BR/>Oh my! That sounds like a big step. Or maybe not… I’ve heard some things about certain organizations on campus; I’ll not name names and promote the stereotypes :-). <BR/><BR/>Playasinmar <BR/><I>“Sorry Carrie, sounds like SoulForce gets the credit after all. :)”</I><BR/><BR/>That’s the beauty though ;-), they <I>can’t</I> have any credit to those who made the change. I'll not give it to them either, or the machine will stop.<BR/><BR/>Chris<BR/><I>“If I've learned anything about myself since I've come out, it's that I'm a bad cop. :)”</I><BR/><BR/>That’s why we need to team up, ;-).<BR/><BR/>Thank you much, Silus. <BR/><BR/>“As for Soulforce getting credit... only inasmuch as one part of an equation can get credit.”<BR/><BR/>I completely agree. I was glad to see they didn’t try to take it all, but their claim of “galvanizing” the BYU group was a bit misleading. As a changing countenance said, they galvanized the BYU group to come out in opposition to and as an alternative to soulforce. I’ve been in the same place and it is amazing; it is like an equation.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-87211839134783402352007-04-20T17:30:00.000-07:002007-04-20T17:30:00.000-07:00Brilliantly said, Scot.As for Soulforce getting cr...Brilliantly said, Scot.<BR/><BR/>As for Soulforce getting credit... only inasmuch as one part of an equation can get credit. Two doesn't get credit for five... but two and three do. And I think that any statement by either side that ignores the role of the other is dishonest.Silus Grokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10934750518150584644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-24054503647859523862007-04-20T17:22:00.000-07:002007-04-20T17:22:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.DCHARRISONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11147038767549208893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-54572318242548244542007-04-20T11:17:00.000-07:002007-04-20T11:17:00.000-07:00If I've learned anything about myself since I've c...If I've learned anything about myself since I've come out, it's that I'm a bad cop. :)Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940646193920094814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-62254986160747868982007-04-20T10:53:00.000-07:002007-04-20T10:53:00.000-07:00From the Deseret News:"The effort was instigated b...From the <A HREF="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660212622,00.html" REL="nofollow">Deseret News</A>:<BR/><BR/>"The effort was instigated by student Glade Bauman, who with other students drafted a letter to BYU President Cecil Samuelson. Samuelson forwarded the letter to Vice President of Student Life Jan Scharman, who met with the students in late February."<B>We knew this group Soulforce was coming to protest at school</B>," said Robby Pierce, a member of the group. "<B>We felt they didn't represent the voice of actual students who deal with homosexuality on campus</B>."<BR/><BR/>"[Carrie] Jenkins said Soulforce has sought media coverage, not dialogue, and was not the cause of the clarifications. " <I>emphasis mine</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry Carrie, sounds like SoulForce gets the credit after all. <B>:)</B>playasinmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05998841658611428960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-34239995799449149332007-04-20T10:45:00.000-07:002007-04-20T10:45:00.000-07:00It's true! One's stated sexual orientation can't b...It's true! One's stated sexual orientation can't be "stated" unless it is out loud.<BR/><BR/>Not long ago the church would excommunicate anyone who self-identified as gay.<BR/><BR/>Later they realized they had to fix the selfish, "sinner gays." Gays who were not to congregate <I>or else.</I><BR/><BR/>Then the church's university said, "We have counselors that can fix you with experiments." <BR/><BR/>More recently the church said, "Some people will struggle with this all their lives."<BR/><BR/>And now this... open dialog on the campus. Openness at <I>BYU</I>!playasinmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05998841658611428960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-25041335526750178952007-04-20T09:54:00.000-07:002007-04-20T09:54:00.000-07:00Very interesting post, made me think a lot. I hadn...Very interesting post, made me think a lot. I hadn't quite realized the impact of having openly gay (but not practicing) students on BYU campus. Several of us could even probably start a gay student's union or something of that nature. Imagine that! Although it might have to be called the "SSA student club" or something. The fact is that, with recent changes, "one's stated orientation is not an honor code issue." So you're right, it's okay to be open about being gay now. That's the most significant aspect of the change, and it does represent a moving of the line in the sand.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981028573755481938noreply@blogger.com