tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post1842167485414341878..comments2023-11-03T06:24:22.342-07:00Comments on Cog: IrreversibleScothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-6137326442865335542008-08-24T22:23:00.000-07:002008-08-24T22:23:00.000-07:00I think Mormonism has a way of glossing over every...I think Mormonism has a way of glossing over everything that isn't mainstream. And anyone in their congregations who isn't mainstream feels left out, strange, and depressed. Hell, even people who *are* in the mainstream sometimes really wish they didn't have to be or just feel oppressed because of it and can't articulate that feeling. I just hate the way the LDS church has ignored gays. They basically say "we don't really know what to do with you, but be celibate and lonely forever and good luck with it!" I wish they would hurry up and get with the program. It seems that won't happen until well after Prop 8 fails miserably (partly thanks to yours truly) and the rest of the country finally treats gays as equals. Then, when the Mormon church is being positively barbaric compared to everyone else, the prophet will get a magic message from the almighty that it's time to change the policy. Seems they've set a sort of precedent for that sort of thing with blacks and the priesthood.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600619121118216535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-39719007125715229672008-08-22T15:34:00.000-07:002008-08-22T15:34:00.000-07:00Kengo: "placing something discreet in my classroom...Kengo: "placing something discreet in my classroom/office to show that I was "gay friendly" "<BR/><BR/>That's not a bad idea. Wish there was something subtler than a rainbow.<BR/><BR/>Chino: a million yard signs huh? Sadly, it won't just be the LDS leadership noting which neighbors back amending their constitution.<BR/><BR/>I hear ya, Craig. <BR/><BR/>The facts that Utah is at or near the top in youth suicide, use of antidepressants, death by overdose on prescription drugs, and has a higher than average divorce rate are serious problems in need of serious address. We Utahns have many good aspects; our ability to gloss over our problems or pass the buck isn't one of them.<BR/><BR/>and Java, I'm sure where you live you are the sort that could make life better for any minority group.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-36129831902969998122008-08-20T16:30:00.000-07:002008-08-20T16:30:00.000-07:00Gay issues becoming a life work - that's what I'm ...Gay issues becoming a life work - that's what I'm wondering about now. These are heavy thoughts.Javahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377033663576614925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-55904199238369531872008-08-20T10:55:00.000-07:002008-08-20T10:55:00.000-07:00This is probably the thing that bothers me most ab...This is probably the thing that bothers me most about the church - their ability to ignore people killing themselves because the teachings of the church tell you it's better to do that than to be gay. <BR/><BR/>They never admit to it, but those teachings are clearly there in the LDS religion, and it is disgusting to me that they would rather pretend that "all is well in Zion" than face up to this truth: The teachings of Mormonism about homosexuality do not match up with reality. <BR/><BR/>Having gone through a time of intense depression and almost committing suicide myself, I understand all too well why gay Mormons are killing themselves, and it makes me so angry that a church which purports to teach love and compassion, is so full of contempt and vindictiveness towards gays which stems from its highest levels. The "love the sinner but hate the sin" mantra is one that translates in the minds of too many to: say you love someone, but do all you can to treat them as lesser beings, to take away their human rights, and judge them to be morally deficient because they don't live or believe the same as you.<BR/><BR/>It is amazing to me how casually the church leaders and so many members just toss aside every thing that Jesus supposedly taught (everything their church is supposedly based on) in favour of their cultural biases.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09374110841642375968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-59504988845044972632008-08-20T09:21:00.000-07:002008-08-20T09:21:00.000-07:00One of my best friends deliberately acquired AIDS ...One of my best friends deliberately acquired AIDS as a means of suicide years ago when I was so entrenched in the closet I wouldn't admit what he so very well knew of me - that I was gay. I am still haunted by the fact that I didn't do more to keep him from feeling he was all alone without hope, and had to do this. <BR/><BR/>What if I had reached out and wasn't afraid to do so? What if I hadn't made him feel that I as an intimate friend had not abandoned him? What if I had stood beside him when the Church excommunicated and shunned him and took away his hope?<BR/><BR/>Some things are irreversible...Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-67529035646489622582008-08-20T08:33:00.000-07:002008-08-20T08:33:00.000-07:00LDS 'Yes on 8' Game PlanI've posted a letter sent ...LDS 'Yes on 8' Game Plan<BR/><BR/>I've posted a letter sent from Boyd K. Packer on July 28th to the California LDS stake presidents:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/19/224211/910/755/570793" REL="nofollow">BKP July 28</A><BR/><BR/>Apparently, there is a plan in place to put up one million 'Yes on 8' yard signs at 7:00 am on September 22nd.Chino Blancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089075247725625711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-55286090294797381072008-08-20T08:29:00.000-07:002008-08-20T08:29:00.000-07:00First, the humor:"I didn't wear a rainbow rhinesto...First, the humor:<BR/><BR/><I>"I didn't wear a rainbow rhinestone lab coat, or anything..."</I><BR/><BR/>But...Scot, it would be <I>fagulous</I>!<BR/><BR/>And now the real comment:<BR/><BR/>It's a hard thing. Part of me has thought about becoming a teacher and placing something discreet in my classroom/office to show that I was "gay friendly" for those folks who, for whatever reason, might feel in need of support.<BR/><BR/>I don't know it's a hard thing to decide at times. And I'm sure the fact that you were this close (proximity) to this young man, and know that you could possibly have reached out somehow must be hard at times to take.<BR/><BR/>And all I have to say about Prop 8 is D&C 134:9 and Article of Faith 11.Kengo Biddleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083962910965544925noreply@blogger.com