tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post258582329904155790..comments2023-11-03T06:24:22.342-07:00Comments on Cog: Have Their Quiche and Eat It TooScothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-30047190781251187992006-12-20T14:46:00.000-08:002006-12-20T14:46:00.000-08:00Ah Beck, careful what you wish for ;-).
For the r...Ah Beck, careful what you wish for ;-).<br /><br />For the record, putting the two couples aside, I think the steam room scenario should be out for <I>anyone</I>. I’d not go into a public steam room for fear of athlete’s foot alone, but I’d fear such a scenario would likely transmit much worse. Who knows what such men are bringing home to their wives? I feel similarly to Chris; it’s the women who get to me most. <br /><br />I hope yes is not the answer to santorio’s question. Do straight LDS men ever put up with such for lesbian wives? Anyone know any such case? Eh, but that’s a significant straight man’s fantasy; so no mirror image.<br /><br />As far as I can see, it’s all guesses as to how and why they put up with it, as I doubt a study on such a narrow topic is forthcoming :-). My impression is that they are thinking they just need to compromise and hold their family together a couple more decades…<br /><br />L:<br />“<I>…believe that such premeditated and flagrant disrespect for chastity is all perfectly okay down the road for your mission president or whoever.</I>”<br /><br />I wonder, maybe they don’t believe it’s perfectly okay. Maybe they think they are sinners, who went as far as completing the necessary temple ceremonies, but left that one extra thing, mortal flaw to the mercy of God’s grace? Hard to say.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-36992821673205237882006-12-20T08:15:00.000-08:002006-12-20T08:15:00.000-08:00we shouldn't forget that many straight mormon men ...we shouldn't forget that many straight mormon men and women face the same situation, unable to find sexual fulfillment in their married or single lives, and similarly tempted to arrange any side arrangements.<br /><br />i wonder about these women who tolerate their husbands' sexual misadventures. does their second-class status in the church play any role in this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-65642399016812594812006-12-20T06:07:00.000-08:002006-12-20T06:07:00.000-08:00It's back to the prodigal son problem... and it ir...It's back to the prodigal son problem... and it irritates me. It's hard to both believe in repentance and also believe that such premeditated and flagrant disrespect for chastity is all perfectly okay down the road for your mission president or whoever. But this, clearly, is my personal problem with how I view what is fair.-L-https://www.blogger.com/profile/02854867259876731599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-13963100547343890082006-12-19T15:38:00.000-08:002006-12-19T15:38:00.000-08:00I'm jealous! I've been trying to figure out for s...I'm jealous! I've been trying to figure out for some time how to "have my quiche and eat it too". How can I sign up?;-)<br /><br />Like Chris, I've spent a lot of time contemplating the possibilities - particularly with frequent business trips. Seriously, I don't trust myself and commitments have been made and are honored... so I just wouldn't be caught dead in a steam room of any kind. As much as I would like the affection and attention, I just can't do it.<br /><br />Obviously, they've figured out a way to do it with the agreement of their wives. It does happen. I have a close friend who first-hand told me he was the boy-toy for a successful SLC businessman when my friend was in his early twenties. The businessman's wife tolerated the situation. The husband was later called as mission president and both denied the whole affair ever took place. As to which heaven they'll inherit - only heaven knows.Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-14287519267117800462006-12-19T14:02:00.000-08:002006-12-19T14:02:00.000-08:00Though I spent a lot of time wondering how I might...Though I spent a lot of time wondering how I might be able to make my marriage work AND find some way to satisfy my need for male affection, something like this was never a serious consideration for me. If my marriage was going to work, I wanted to be fully committed to my wife. Ultimately, I wasn't able to make that commitment.<br /><br />When I hear about arrangements such as this, my sympathy is with the women--who deserve so much more than this--even though I can identify with the struggle of the man. At some point, men in situations such as this have to get off the fence.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940646193920094814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-56742112378201828542006-12-19T12:58:00.000-08:002006-12-19T12:58:00.000-08:00As one who has consciously entertained the possibi...As one who has consciously entertained the possibility of employing unconventional solutions to an awkward spiritual and sexual situation, I think I understand both where the men were coming from as well as what you are saying. Ultimately, whether they end up in the celestial kingdom and have all the blessing associated with that is a matter for God alone. But based on the most fundamental of church doctrines, I'd say fooling around with a man in a steam room is a blatant and serious sin that's not excused by being high in the church or even having a really really good reason to want to.<br /><br />Frankly, it sounds to me like gay Mormons who are trying to practice their faith ought to stay away from steam rooms altogether. It's one of those things that can be rationalized to be just a normal guy thing, but sitting around for long periods of time with other naked guys in relative anonymity and dim privacy probably outweighs in spiritual risk any perceived health benefits. ;-)-L-https://www.blogger.com/profile/02854867259876731599noreply@blogger.com