tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post9143655927618435918..comments2023-11-03T06:24:22.342-07:00Comments on Cog: Socializing With EvangelicalsScothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-66132034069558281842009-03-01T18:11:00.000-08:002009-03-01T18:11:00.000-08:00Good luck MoHoHawaii. Seems I'm scheduled to meet...Good luck MoHoHawaii. Seems I'm scheduled to meet with them again mid March. Baby steps...<BR/><BR/>Janci: "If we just had fewer idiots in the mix, maybe more people could talk together like your group did here."<BR/><BR/>Yeah; I make the mistake of listening to salt lake's 630 AM, and so I end up hearing a lot of what the worst of the other side thinks. Probably not the best thing for me.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Chosha, I think it may.<BR/><BR/>Guy: "Who set this up?"<BR/><BR/>One of our friends and fellow GLBT activist also works very hard up on the hill for homeless youth issues. In that aim she became friends with an evangelical who was concerned about homeless issues as well and they hatched this idea together.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-17503514369595035202009-02-25T15:52:00.000-08:002009-02-25T15:52:00.000-08:00Really interesting, a great idea. Who set this up...Really interesting, a great idea. Who set this up?Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02311716129622644980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-87562392799683037302009-02-25T14:52:00.000-08:002009-02-25T14:52:00.000-08:00I found this really encouraging. I hope it proves ...I found this really encouraging. I hope it proves fruitful.choshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07724444970503533654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-19393391274259571432009-02-25T12:20:00.000-08:002009-02-25T12:20:00.000-08:00But with some Utahns the compromise, as I've even ...<I>But with some Utahns the compromise, as I've even heard on local talk radio, was simply letting gay folks live un-incarcerated.</I><BR/><BR/>Gah.<BR/><BR/>If we just had fewer idiots in the mix, maybe more people could talk together like your group did here.Janci Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14108708866077646172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-49269077982642328042009-02-25T09:34:00.000-08:002009-02-25T09:34:00.000-08:00What a great post, Scot!We need desperately as a s...What a great post, Scot!<BR/><BR/>We need desperately as a society to reverse the trend toward increasing polarization. We need a truce in the culture war.<BR/><BR/>I was recently asked to be a "friend" on Facebook by a person I knew in high school who is now a right-wing, gay-hating Christianist. I decided to respond and hopefully engage in respectful dialog (via e-mail). I may be the only openly gay person she knows. My goal is to humanize a group she sees as The Enemy. (I don't plan on challenging any of her religious or political beliefs.) Your post came at just the right time. I'm going to experiment by using what you reported as a basis for my next communication with my born-again friend.MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-53946916851184360042009-02-25T08:50:00.000-08:002009-02-25T08:50:00.000-08:00Janci "I was good and angry that no one seems to b...Janci "I was good and angry that no one seems to be willing to compromise, no one will give an inch, and therefore, there can never be peace."<BR/><BR/>I hear ya. The trouble is that we are facing a belief of world collapse if families get equal rights regardless of their anatomy on one side and the impossibility of agreeing to accept second class legal status for your spouse and children on the other side. <BR/><BR/>Also, the compromise looks different to different groups. With this group of evangelicals equal rights in law was okay as long as they could still preach and believe what they wanted in church, and everyone was more than okay with that. We found common ground. But with some Utahns the compromise, as I've even heard on local talk radio, was simply letting gay folks live un-incarcerated. To them gays already have more ground than they should in a reasonable compromise.<BR/><BR/>Alan, "if they really do acknowledge that they fear payback"<BR/><BR/>See, the thing is the group we met with would not claim this as a fear they personally held, but said it was the fear of the evangelical community, and so it was difficult to talk it through. I wish we could have gotten into this more, and maybe we will next time, but we were given a time limit for serious discussion. I do think this is an important consideration though.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-18467220546171512802009-02-24T20:00:00.000-08:002009-02-24T20:00:00.000-08:00All of this is very encouraging. And I also can't...All of this is very encouraging. And I also can't help wondering, if they really do acknowledge that they fear payback, why aren't they even that much more exercised about trying to change the pattern of ill treatment from their side in order to blunt the potential impact of what they fear later on?<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992194211469009236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33131983.post-51730917327339558022009-02-24T09:54:00.000-08:002009-02-24T09:54:00.000-08:00Just yesterday I was ranting to my husband about t...Just yesterday I was ranting to my husband about the lack of respect between opposing political sides. I was good and angry that no one seems to be willing to compromise, no one will give an inch, and therefore, there can never be peace. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for this post. I needed to know that there are at least some other people who can sit down and discuss things without slinging around hate every which way, and blocking every attempt at solution.Janci Oldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02328442487471904305noreply@blogger.com